Recollections of Stanley Marsden collected in 1974

Stanley Marsden (b.1924) owned Allen Syke Farm on Redmires Road. Here is Alan’s adaptation of his reminiscences, taken from Dr Ian Russel’s 1974 Ph D thesis: Singing in West Sheffield 1970-2– White Rose eTheses …

Stanley Marsden (b. 1924) comes from a remarkable Fulwood family. First mentioned in Fairbanks Survey of 1792, one Richard Marsden and his wife lived at Bole Hill Farm. It was their three grandchildren, after whom the Three Merry Lads public house was named in about 1832.

The youngest, Benjamin (b. 1819), married his employer’s daughter, Mary Green of Fulwood Grange Farm and they had fourteen children. Zenas, the eldest, kept the Sportsman and his son Arthur, who took over the pub, was Stanley’s grandfather. Perhaps because Benjamin had sixty-six grandchildren, his descendants, aptly nicknamed the ‘Tribe of Benjamin’, come in for much local banter; – ‘They’re like horse muck, all o’er t’road.” Douglas Marsden, Frank Hinchliffe, Grace Walton and George White are also among his descendants.

Stanley owns and farms Allen Syke Farm which stands below the Sportsman on Redmires Road, Lodge Moor, at approximately nine hundred feet above sea level. Consisting of fifty-six acres, it is entirely grassland for pasture or hay. Although Stanley has kept pigs and sheep in the past, he now concentrates entirely on fattening cattle, about sixty calves and stores, which are first nursed and then finished on a mixture of barley and hay. He also keeps a few ponies for his two young daughters.

Stanley married late in life and his wife Jean, a schoolteacher, had two boys by a previous marriage. He obviously regrets having no sons of his own to take over the farm.

Actually it’s worse now than it’s ever been because, you’ see, I’ve nobody follerin’ me … I’ve no sons interested at all … It’s not always help that you need, it’s company sometimes. Somebody bein’ interested in it, because you think you’re doin’ all this for nobody. Makes you wonder whether it’s worth doing sometimes. If I didn’t belong to place like, if it were rented, I wouldn’t ‘ave it. I’d do something else, because, for money you’ve’ got to put into this job nowadays and what you get out of it, it’s stupid. A man’s not right upstairs really.’

Stanley’s disillusionment is understandable and contrasts with his usually good-humoured nature. It is also an attitude, which is common among land-holding families in general, who see their role as one of service rather than that of an entrepreneur. Moreover, family  participation is considered a prerequisite of the fulfilment of their vocation. He was brought up on the farm and attended Mayfield School. He helped at home with the daily tasks from an early age and proudly records that he could milk before he started school, producing a photograph of himself in action at the age of three.

It used to be a nice job on a cold winter’s morning, you know. In summer it weren’t so good when it were hot like. It got sweaty and flies as well would make cows want to kick … Never got bored. I used to like it really, apart from — there’s many a time when I should ‘ave liked to ‘ave missed one, missed milking like. Still I’d do it again.’

In common with so many of his contemporaries it was this activity in particular that provided the best opportunity for singing and learning songs. Stanley acquired most of his songs in this way from his father, Arthur (Marsden)

‘When you were singing ’em regular and milkin’, you see, you just picked ’em up with him [father] and you sang ’em with him at finish … And if you were singing ’em wrong like, ‘e’d put you right, which ‘e used to do ‘cos ‘e used to say, that’s not it. It sempt to make it easier to milk….’

It is a strange legacy of this method of learning that Stanley often cannot remember an opening line or verse of a song, because he would not join in until after his father had started.

During the war the Irishmen stationed at Redmires Prisoner of War Camp behind the pub were keen singers and Stanley took advantage of their presence, if not to learn new songs, at least to try out those Irish songs he had learnt from his father. Both his father and grandfather had played the piano for old-time dancing.

…..Although Stanley emphasises the importance of the right atmosphere for singing he is not himself a regular pub-goer. This may also be a result of family pressure but it is more probable that it is by choice for he is an exceptionally hard worker. Before his marriage the farm had provided sufficient work for three men, his father, his brother, and himself, but now that Stanley is completely on his own he carefully limits his time off to a minimum. His routine day begins before 7.00 a.m. and he is rarely finished by 9.30 p.m. Moreover, he has firm views on drinking.

As a young man his favourite leisure-time activity was dancing, a liking for which he had inherited from his father. On a Saturday night he used to travel out to Bradwell via the Yorkshire Bridge and Travellers Rest, two pubs at Bamford.

‘They used to have ‘old-time’ in old hall on your right-hand side and ‘modern’ in Newburg on left-hand side — same night. If the one you wanted to find wasn’t in Newburg you went to old-time. If it got after a certain time used to let me in for nothing. Drinking … it’s spoilt me many a night, you know. I’d rather be dancing. I think it did and it spoilt your partners when you got there’.

Stanley adds to put the record straight

I didn’t very often take a partner with me. Always plenty of partners them days. T’ s reason I got married late.

Although it seems extremely doubtful that Stanley was at all reckless in his youth, marriage and the responsibilities of a family have obviously had an effect. Singing for Stanley is dwindling in importance and yet his enthusiasm continues especially in his relationship with Frank Hinchliffe. The two have much in common. They were childhood friends, though they attended different schools, for they were brought up on neighbouring farms. Frank’s father at that time farmed Wiggin Farm at the head of Crimicar Lane and continued to do so even after the move to Clough Fields. Later they were drinking companions especially during the last war when pub singing within the locality was in its heyday. Both had learnt to cut hair when the deprivation and isolation of war-time had forced the local farming community to be self-sufficient for the bulk of its needs. Stanley had started by cutting his father’s hair as well as taking over his only customer, Andrew Gregory. Before long he had over twenty regular customers, some of whom he still attends to today.

As if to permanently cement the relationship, Frank Hinchliffe married Stanley’s elder sister, Dorothy Marsden.

 

Intrigue about the Chapel

The Independent Chapel on Whiteley Lane has been an object of interest for many years, primarily for its age – it is nigh on 300 years old.

In the early 1940s Ivor Gatty had a correspondence with Henry Bamley who was associated with the Upper Chapel n the centre of Sheffield. Some the letters exchanged, or rather, carbon copies of the letters found their way into the archives of Fulwood Church.

There is mention of the Fulwood Spa

I have transcribed these letters and provided brief biographies of the correspondents. the resulting PDF file is here

Fieldwork at Fullwood Hall 27/1/25

 FULWOOD HISTORY GROUP: Fieldwork at Fullwood Hall 27th January 2025 Present: D.A., J.B., A.C., G.C., M.L., C.M., D.M., J.P., K.P.

  • Thanks to Alan’s connection with Fullwood Hall[1], we were able to explore one of its fields; it is south facing, rising steeply to meet its northern boundary on Harrison Lane

  • Our focus was a local belief that there was once a ‘tunnel’ between Bennet Grange and Fullwood Hall:
    • Chapter 20 of Fullwood Hall: The First 600 Years[2] provides a thorough exploration of the tunnel story
    • Clarke & Wilson (1987)[3] discuss Sheffield’s ‘Subterreanea’ (pp.22 -32). They suggest that a perceived connection between two points, (such as Fullwood Hall and Bennett Grange), can develop into a belief around a physical connection such as a passage or tunnel in local lore; they add that drains, sewers, mines and culverts may also feed into local tunnel lore
    • Frank Brindley, a Sheffield news photographer, wrote newspaper articles about Sheffield’s ‘Tunnel Mystery’ in the 1930s, including the ‘underground passage’ between Fullwood Hall and Bennett Grange
    • Hall (1974, p.18)[4], also refers to ‘a secret passage’ between the two houses
    • There is also a possible connection with priests’ escape tunnels dating from the Elizabethan era, of which there is reportedly evidence in the city centre; Hostombe and Crutch (2023, pp.16-17) discuss this in relation to Priest Hill across the valley
  • We were also informed by a Lidar map and by a Friends of the Porter Valley publication (2004)[5]; the following features identified in their Catalogue were of particular interest:
    • ‘Underground culvert’ in Bennett Grange grounds
    • ‘Possible lynchet’: a ‘short, well-defined bank’
    • Traces of possible hollow-way running E-W near the top of the field
    • Lynchet: ‘well-defined’, running N-S down the field
  • We began in the timber room, under which was a cellar identified as the place where the tunnel allegedly began; differences in flooring materials were noted
  • On reaching the field, we were joined by four curious horses who followed us for the first part of our investigation

  • Various features were noticed:
    • those listed above by FoPV (2004)
    • a paved pathway which is now almost obscured by earth and turf

    • boundaries: e.g. curved Bennett Grange east boundary drystone wall which may date from 18th century

    • waterways & intriguing humps & a rusted metal plate in the wall of Bennett Grange
    • terracing which took the form of parallel tracks on the north side of the steep bank; these were later identified as most likely to be “terracettes” – a form of soil creep that gets trodden down by animals to create narrow ridges

    • a sheep-through or sheep creep: ‘purpose-built rectangular holes set in walls to allow access by sheep…typically capped by a long stone lintel.’ [6]

[1] Hostombe, S. & Crutch, A. (2023). Fullwood Hall – The First 600 Years. Northend.

[2] Ibid.

[3] Clarke, D. and Wilson, R. (1987). Strange Sheffield: Legends, Folklore and Mysteries of Hallamshire.  Association for the Scientific Study of Anomalous Phenomena.

[4] Hall, M. (1974). More About Mayfield Valley and Old Fulwood. J. W. Northend Ltd.

[5] Friends of the Porter Valley (2004). Porter Valley Landscape History and Archaeology; Final Report. Ardron Unified Landscape Assessments.

[6] Ibid.

Notes on Old Fulwood

Colin Cooper wrote many short articles on aspects of Old Fulwood. Muriel Hall used some
of these in her book “More of the Mayfield Valley” and she noted that she was grateful to
Cooper’s widow for permission to use these. These two articles were found in the Central
Library and copied by Alan Crutch. He notes that he has not found them since.
Alan’s copies are photographs. I have used OCR to transcribe these in this PDF document.
There are some biographical details of Colin Cooper at the end of this paper.

The articles are here

Record of FHG Meeting 16/1/25

Record of FULWOOD HISTORY GROUP MEETING 16th January 2025

Present: D.A., J.B., A.C., G.C., A.H., M.G., M.L., C.M., D.M., J.P., K.P.

Our first meeting of 2025 took place upstairs and included:

  1. Welcome & introductions to two new members who joined us this evening

 

  1. AC: discussed maps and plans relating to forthcoming group visit to Fullwood Hall grounds to investigate the reason for a local belief that there was once a ‘tunnel’ between Bennet Grange and Fullwood Hall; investigation of Fullwood Hall field to be arranged for later this month (AC)

 

  1. DA shared copies of a colleague’s photos and press clippings relating to his family who lived in Fulwood in the 20th century; these included:
  • Percy Lawson & Edith Hancock c.1930
  • Golf Cottage at top of Crimicar Lane
  • Ocean View Guesthouse
  • Fullwood Show early 1940s

 

  1. Maps/documents/discussion relating to development of housing on School Green Lane

 

  1. Group split into discussions around various topics including:
  • Scissors, Paper, Stone project
  • Whitham Road and its development/links to Crookes Rd and Fulwood Rd
  • Fulwood Spa
  • Local streams, brooks and underground waterways and their impact on Fulwood’s suburban landscape – land slippage etc.

 

  1. JB & AC’s visit to Sheffield City Archives earlier in week which included a look at:
  • Plimsoll Letters Patent
  • various items from the Fairbank Collection

 

  1. KP will follow up re transfer of Fulwood Church archive to Sheffield City Archives. DM/JB to follow up re passing Fulwood Society documents to Sheffield City Archives after AC has completed cataloguing them

 

  1. Next meeting February20th at Broomhill Library

 

Record of FHG Meeting 19/12/24

Record of FULWOOD HISTORY GROUP MEETING 19th December 2024

Present: J.B., A.C., M.L., C.M., D.M., J.P., K.P.

 Our final meeting of 2024 included discussion of:

  1. FHG’s social media and agreement to continue with website
  2. Developing links with other local groups, how they’re organised and comparison with FHG
  3. Whiteley Green area including Whiteley Woods Hall, Stanley Royle and the ‘stone-roller re-used as a gate-stoop…likely used during the Victorian Period for agricultural purposes, such as clod-crushing, compressing soils prior to sowing, and smoothing grasslands’ Pp.43-4 Porter Valley Landscape History Final Report. Ardron Unified Landscape Assessments. April 2004. https://www.fopv.org.uk/shop?Category=Reports
  4. Maps of the area dating to 1960s which the National Library of Scotland has added to their database recently
  5. Sheffield City Archives’ recent acquisitions: A Volume of Maps of the Township of Upper Hallam, Wm. Fairbank II, 1795 and Plans, Valuation and Descriptions of Houses, Warehouses and Workshops situate in the Township of Ecclesall Bierlow’, 1842
  6. The Crookesmoor Racecourse and how it passed through the Broomhill Library site
  7. D. M. shared several items he’d brought:
    1. Tradespeople in Sheffield, a directory of 1789; this sparked discussion of terms such as ‘anvilling’, hammering and smiths
    2. Walks in the Neighbourhood of Sheffield. Book published by Leader in 1830
    3. Report of the Sheffield Waterworks Failure Dale Dike or Bradfield Reservoir, May 1864; this included a record of the enquiry along with maps and diagrams

  1. Next meeting January 19th (tbc) at Broomhill Library
  2. Proposed visit to Sheffield City Archive in January – tbc

 

 

Record of FHG Meeting 21/11/24

Record of FULWOOD HISTORY GROUP MEETING 21st November 2024

Present: D.A., J.B., A.C., M.G., M.L., D.M., K.P., J.P.

  1. This was the first meeting to take place at Broomhill Library since the early summer and we began with a look back at events etc. over the last few months including:
  • MG’s recent talk for the Ranmoor Society: Who Built St John’s Church?
  • FHG stall at Fulwood shops which took place the previous Saturday 16th
  • Recent publication of KP’s book From Village to Suburb: A history of Fulwood between 1880 and 1940
  1. We studied a set of BT maps of the area DM had brought dating from the 1950s/late 1960s:

  1. There was discussion of the conduit, and its small stone ‘stiles’ which could have supported the waterpipes; here’s a link to Ranmoor Society notes on the conduit and Hidden Sheffield Walks may also have information
  2. We talked about ethical issues associated with historical research
  3. General discussion included:
  • Comparisons between the trades of bricklaying and stonemasonry, from past and present perspectives
  • A look at DM’s book Wall-to-Wall History: The Story of Roystone Grange. R. Hodges (1991)
  • Styles of Sheffield church architecture
  • Sheffield’s connection with the Titantic
  • Scissors, Paper, Stone project
  • Wills as historical sources
  1. Next meeting December 19th at Broomhill Library

 

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Record of FHG meeting 21/10/2

Record of FULWOOD HISTORY GROUP MEETING 21st October 2024

Present: J.B., A.C., D.M., C.M., K.P.

Ringinglow Ramble Part II

October’s meeting took the form of fieldwork around the Ringinglow area, building on our first Ringinglow walk in June. Our main focus was the mines and quarries of the area. Throughout our walk, DM referred us to the report From Cairns to Craters: Conservation Heritage Assessment of Burbage (Bevan, B. 2006. Moors for the Future) which contains information relating to features we looked at. See also Friends of the Porter Valley’s publication Mining and Quarrying in the Porter Valley – Delving into the Past (Peter Kennett, 2006) which provides details of most of the features we looked at.

  1. We met at the layby opposite the Norfolk Arms where we began by looking at AC’s copy of Burdett’s 1791 Map of Derbyshire
  2. We headed west towards Sheephill Road, passing the site of the old Weigh House and weigh bridge – see notes from June’s Ringinglow Ramble
  3. We took a short diversion over the stile on Sheephill Road and into Barberfield and the Limb Valley to revisit the site of former mines and remains of spoil heaps (see Bevan, 2006). We discussed the alignment of the Roman Road between Brough and Templeborough, how it may well have run across this area and recent archaeological work on this – a focus for a future walk.
  4. After returning to Sheephill Road, we crossed over to the Houndkirk Road which leads to Stanage Pole. A couple of hundred metres along the track, (what3words) there are a number of embedded stones which appear to have a range of marks cut into them, one of which is a benchmark-type symbol. It was suggested that this could be connected with the military, who were active in this area during WWII.
  5. After following the boundary of Lady Canning’s Plantation round to the northwest, we crossed Ringinglow Road and followed the track leading north to Brown Edge Quarries. Immediately to right of the footpath, we passed the sites of bell pits which were obscured by the heather and bracken. We heard about scars in the land left by peat workings and the remains of Kelly’s House, all of which lie to the west side of the footpath. For information on Kelly’s House, see AC’s December ’23 post on this website: Ringinglow People: Henry Kelly
  6. Heading up to Brown Edge, we passed the site of a WWII bomb crater.
  7. We then dropped down over the edge and walked in a roughly westerly direction towards Brown Edge Quarries. On the way, AC pointed out possible boundary stones marking the former Derbyshire/Yorkshire border. See Alan’s Substack piece ‘Searching for Knaves’ to find out more.
  8. We reached the Brown Edge quarry complex, ‘the most extensive in the [Porter Valley]’ (page 6, Kennett, 2006). It dates from at least 1715 and was still in use in the early twentieth century when Henry Hancock was the owner. The different types of stone extracted were suitable for various aspects of building such as walls, roof tiles, flagstones and paving stones. AC discovered what may have been a quarrymen’s shelter in the rock as well as an intriguing hole which seemed to have been built into the turf.
  9. A rainbow led our walk back to the layby along Ringinglow Road
  10. Next meeting November 21st at Broomhill Library